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    Get Big Love Eryn1, Ultra5, Photo6, Zuna1 or Zia1 for $5.50 and Gwen1 or Hyper1 for $10 on Fanvue. Click 'Follow', buy a post, check your Fanvue DMs! You can get Klein2 for $10 on Tensor Art. A subscription includes the latest release and new ones within 30 days.

    To create up to 85 free images per day in highest quality you can use Big Love here. For discussing photorealistic image generation join me on Discord.

    Big Love Gwen is a finetune of Qwen Edit 2511 and can do NSFW image editing. It produces more realistic and sharp images with better skin texture & genitals than other Qwen checkpoints/loras. Txt2img is less reliable, but generates nice results too.
    Big Love Gwen1 allows commercial usage without additional fees (if no auto-generation involved) unlike Big Love Klein. With its better anatomy it is easier to get good editing results. As fast at 6 steps as Klein at 4 steps.
    The fp8 mixed version is for 16+ GB VRAM (highest quality), the nf4 version is for 12 and 16 GB VRAM (25% faster), the GGUF Q5_K_M version is for 16 GB VRAM (softest) and the nvfp4 version requires 24+ GB VRAM (on RTX 5090 2-3x faster, otherwise 2x slower, lower quality than fp8 mixed, less saturation, textured).
    It is recommended to use ComfyUI. The Gwen1 workflows offer a skin enhance feature that is not available in Forge Neo. Move the Gwen1 model file into the diffusion_model sub folder of the models folder of ComfyUI, qwen_2.5_vl_7b_fp8_scaled.safetensors into the text_encoder sub folder and qwen_image_vae.safetensors into the vae sub folder.
    For training a lora read here for Gwen1.
    Settings are 6 steps (3 steps for upscaling), cfg1, Euler sampler, Beta scheduler, 832x1216 or 1024x1536 pixels.

    Big Love Eryn is a fine-tune of Ernie-Image(-Turbo). You can run it locally with ComfyUI and Forge Neo. The fp8 version works with 8 & 12 GB VRAM. Use the (pruned) bf16 version if you have 16 GB VRAM or more. The "Full" versions are only meant for training a lora (coming soon!). Put the downloaded model into the diffusion models sub folder of ComfyUI or the StableDiffusion sub folder of Forge Neo. You additionally need to place ministral-3-3b.safetensors in the text_encoder sub folder and flux2-vae.safetensors in the VAE sub folder.
    Settings are 4-6 steps (3-4 steps for upscaling), cfg1, Euler sampler, Beta scheduler, 832x1216 or 1024x1536 pixels.

    Big Love Hyper supports generating at image sizes of 1664x2232 (4 megapixel) and higher with SDXL. Can be easily upscaled to 9 megapixel unlike the normal low-res images. Hyper currently has not fully stable anatomy, so needs more runs. Some prompts work better than others. It produces highly detailed and life-like images close to real photos. It has a special quality that cannot be achieved by just upscaling. The Hyper versions of Big Love are pay-only and special license conditions apply (see below).
    Settings are DMD2 lora with strength 1.0, LCM Exponential, 8 steps, cfg 1, clip skip 2, 1664x2432 or 1536x2240. Upscale with img2img with DMD2 lora with strength 1.0, same prompt, LCM Exponential, 1.25-1.5x, 4-8 steps, cfg 1, 0.3-0.5 denoise, clip skip 2.

    Big Love Klein is a fine-tune of Flux 2 klein. It can do txt2img but also edit images with prompts. Txt2img is currently experimental and requires more prompt & seed hunting. Image editing works stable. It only needs 4 steps, so is quite fast (5 sec on 5090, 15 sec on 5070). You can run it locally with ComfyUI and online on Tensor Art. Use the GGUF Version with 8 GB VRAM, the fp8 version with 12-16 GB VRAM and the (pruned) bf16 version with 24+ GB VRAM. The nvfp4 version (full nf4) renders 2-4x faster on RTx 5xxx GPUs with the latest CUDA drivers. The base version (full fp32 or full bf16) is meant for training a lora only. Put the downloaded model into the diffusion models sub folder of ComfyUI. You also need qwen_3_8b_fp8mixed.safetensors in the text_encoders sub folder (Qwen3-8B-Q5_K_M.gguf wth 8 GB VRAM) and flux2-vae.safetensors in the vae sub folder. Forge Neo is not recommended, because it currently produces too low image quality with Klein, which will hopefully change soon.
    Settings are 4 steps (2 steps for upscaling), cfg1, Euler sampler, Beta scheduler, 832x1216, 1024x1536, 1280x1920 or 1536x2240 pixels

    Big Love ZT, Zia or Zuna are fine-tunes of Z-Image(-Turbo) on the Big Love dataset. You can run it locally with ComfyUI and Forge Neo. The fp8 version works faster with 8 GB VRAM but produces more noise so may sometimes look more realistic, but details are not as good. Use the (pruned) bf16 version if you have 12 GB VRAM or more. The "Full" version is only meant for training a lora. Put the downloaded model into the diffusion models sub folder of ComfyUI or the StableDiffusion sub folder of Forge Neo. To make Big Love ZT/Zia/Zuna work you additionally need to place qwen3_4b.safetensors in the text_encoder sub folder and ae.saftendors in the VAE sub folder.
    Settings are 8 steps, cfg1, Euler or DPM++ 2s a RF sampler, Normal or Simple or Beta scheduler, 832x1216, 1024x1536 or 1280x1920 pixels. For upscaling 8 steps, cfg1, Euler sampler, Normal or Simple or Beta scheduler, 1.5x upscale.

    Big Love Ultra supports generating at image sizes of 1280x1870, 1360x1984 and higher. Can be easily upscaled to 6 megapixel unlike the normal low-res images. More photorealistic and detailed. A special quality that cannot be achieved by just upscaling. Ultra produces more details & sharpness when upscaling and detailing low-res images. The Ultra versions of Big Love are pay-only and special license conditions apply. See below.
    Settings are DMD2 lora with strength 1.0, LCM Exponential, 8 steps, cfg 1, clip skip 2, 1280x1864 or 1360x1984. Upscale with img2img with DMD2 lora with strength 1.0, same prompt, LCM Exponential, 1.25-1.5x, 4-8 steps, cfg 1, lora strength 1.0, 0.3-0.5 denoise, clip skip 2.

    Big Love Photo and Insta1 are finetuned versions of XL. Lust1 is a finetuned version of Lustify merged with Photo. They were trained on thousands of images and dozens of new concepts. Why they are the most realistic and versatile. For more details and prompting Photo1 read this article.
    Settings are DMD2 lora with strength 1.0, LCM Exponential, 8 steps, cfg 1, clip skip 2, 832x1216 or 1024x1496. Upscale with img2img with DMD2 lora, same prompt, LCM Exponential, 1.25-1.5, 4-8 steps, cfg 1, lora strength 1.0, 0.3-0.5 denoise, clip skip 2.

    Big Love XL is a combination of 5 different training branches of SDXL: original SDXL, bigASP, NatVis, Anteros and Pony. With a bit of Pony in it, some Pony loras (poses, characters) work too. It outputs a more photorealistic & creative look than the Pony versions and can also do paintings & cartoon.
    Settings are DMD2 lora with strength 1.0, LCM Exponential, 8 steps, cfg 1-1.5, clip skip 2, 832x1216 or 1024x1496. Upscale with img2img with DMD2 lora, same prompt, LCM Exponential, 1.5-2x, 8-12 steps (XL1/XL2), 4-8 steps (XL2.5-XL4), cfg 1, lora strength 1.0, 0.3-0.5 denoise, clip skip 2.

    Big Love Pony produces different images than both Pony & SDXL-based models. Pony tags are understood, but interpreted a bit differently. Some images lean more in the one or other direction depending on the prompt. It works with Pony loras as well as normal SDXL ones. It can turn anime/cartoon into photorealistic images in img2img. Pony3 includes a bit of Illustrious.
    Settings are DMD2 lora with strength 1.0, LCM Exponential, 8 steps, cfg 1-1.5, clip skip 2, 832x1216 or 1024x1496. Upscale with img2img with DMD2 lora, same prompt, LCM Exponential, 1.5-2x, 8-12 steps, cfg 1, lora strength 1.0, 0.3-0.5 denoise, clip skip 2.

    ComfyUI Workflow:
    Download one of the following images and drag'n'drop it onto Comfy:
    Klein, Eryn and Gwen workflows are embedded in the showcase images.
    Z-Turbo/Z-Base txt2img & Upscale Workflow (recommended)
    SDLX DMD2 txt2img & Upscale Workflow (recommended)
    SDXL DMD2 txt2ing & Upscale for Big Love Ultra
    SDXL DMD2 img2img Workflow
    SDXL Lightning Workflow

    Trained Concepts
    Newer versions of Big Love include the concepts of older versions, e.g. Photo4 can do everything that Photo1 to Photo3 can do and more. The only exception are the Insta concepts, but they have been partially added to never versions too.
    Photo6/Ultra5: ai-style, bodyscape, butt plug, candid amateur, cumshot, illustrious-style, outdoor sex, partner fingering, photoart, innie pussy, ray-style, rebellious, reflection, sensual, sexy ass, sweetheart, wedgie
    Photo5/Ultra4/Hyper1: alluring, anal sex, artistic photo, artistic pinup, charming, cum portrait, cute asian, cute pinup, cute portrait, double oral, dreamy-style, face pov, fantasy pinup, fantasy-style, kai-style, lowkey, mj-style, outdoor flashing, photo art, pole dance, public indecency, public nudity, rock climbing, scify-style, sword pose, vaginal sex
    Photo4/Photo4.5/Ultra2/Ultra3: 2girls kissing, acrobatic sex, average face, beautiful face, amateur pinup, anal fingering, artistic portrait, cuddling, cum swapping, doggystyle pov, even skin color, fashion photo, female masturbation, female pov, finger licking, food porn, footjob, french kiss, full nelson, funny movie, funny tongue out, insta cute, legs pov, low contrast, mirror portrait, nude pose, oral pov, orgasm face, outdoor nude, penis licking, pinup photo, pro photo, pro portrait, pussy licking, sex pov, sexy portrait, vaginal fingering, waterfall
    Photo3/Lust1/Ultra1: 360 degree photo, 3d selfie, 69 position, adorable, alt beauty, anal gape, anal sex, average face, beach life, beautiful, beautiful face, candidness, cum, cute, deepthroat, dildo insertion, double exposure, enthusiastic, extreme pose, faces, fashion photo, female pov, fisting, follow me pov, girl next door, gorgeous, handjob, heroin chic, huge feet, huge hands, huge nipples, light rays, light streaks, lighting, low/mid/high contrast, lowkey/midkey/highkey, low/mid/high saturation, middle finger, motion blur, object insertion, detailed eyes, teeth, pro photo, pussy gape, real life, rooftop, round ass, sad, sexy pose, skin texture, skin tone, spread pussy, squirting, street portrait, testicle licking, testicle sucking, vaginal sex, voluminous hair, water splash
    Insta1: amateur photo, fashion photo, insta selfie, pinup photo, pro photo, real life, big ass, bimbo, cute, luxurious, adorable, enthusiastic, average face, beautiful face, detailed eyes, sexy legs.
    Photo2: 3d selfie, 69 position, adorable, alt beauty , amateur photo, ball licking, ball sucking, beach life, bubble butt, low/mid/high contrast, dildo insertion, double exposure, enthusiastic, extreme pose, female pov, follow me pov, forced perspective, girl next door, gorgeous, handjob, heroin chic, huge feet, huge hands, huge nipples, light rays, light streaks, lighting, middle finger, motion blur, no tan lines, object insertion, pussy gape, rooftop, sad, low/mid/high saturation, sexy pose, squirting, street portrait, water splash.
    Photo1: amateur photo, pro photo, lighting, lowkey, midkey, highkey, beautiful, cute, candid, real life, average face, remarkable face, voluminous hair, skin tone, skin texture, 360 degree photo, spread pussy, deepthroat, fisting, anal gape, anal sex, vaginal sex.

    Training a (character) lora
    My advice is this: Take 10-30 high quality images (at least 50-100 for styles or poses), download OneTrainer, click the SDXL lora preset, choose Big Love as the base checkpoint, add your images as a concept, add tags on the Tools tab, and start training. If you train on Big Love Ultra change the training resolution to 1536 and provide 1248x1832 images.
    You will only get the full Big Love quality by training on real photos or extremely photorealistic images, which is usually not the case with a fictional character. It is all about image quality and not choosing boring images. Don't add posing images to a character lora, because Big Love provides the posing later for it. Focus mainly on good portraits with a few upper and full body images. Rather fewer higher quality images than a lot of average images. Read here for traing a lora on Big Love ZT2, ZT3, Zia1, Zuna1 or Eryn1.

    Fixing Anatomy
    If you want to keep the seed and repair anatomical problems in an image, activate the Extra checkbox in A1111/Forge and set Variation Strength to 0.01 to 0.1. Then generate until anatomy is fine. In Comfy there are sampler nodes that support variation seed (e.g. Inspire Pack), which do the same thing. Also possible to change steps or add commas to the prompt, but I do not recommend it. Extra/Variation Seed is more powerful and convenient as it gives you endless variations with just one click. There is always a variation which looks similar or even better with great anatomy.
    You don't need negative prompts for this. They are rather ineffective. You can also change the positive prompt to suppress things. Anatomy problems are also created by the prompt if you prompt contradicting poses that the model cannot combine. Better to fix the prompt first then.

    Reducing Saturation, Warm Colors and Sharpness
    These SDXL loras reduces the saturation and change the color temperature without reducing image quality. The lora strength defines the effect. Negative values increase saturation or add more warmth. To make an image softer use a lower strength for the DMD2 lora, e.g. 0.95, 0.9, 0.85.

    Big Love Hyper/Ultra/Photo Sizes

    Big Love Hyper supports these image sizes:
    1664x2432 (recommend)
    1536x2240
    Big Love Ultra supports these image sizes:
    1360x1984
    1280x1872 (recommend)
    Big Love Photo supports these image sizes:
    1024x1496 (recommend)
    832x1216
    You can also use the 16:9 or 2:3 versions of these image sizes as well as landscape orientation, but the above should be more reliable.
    The higher the image size, the lower the probability of good results. If you get too many problems with a higher image size, switch to the lower one. Some prompts do higher sizes fine, some do not. Do not use a lower image size than the recommended one, otherwise image quality will be lower. With higher image sizes anatomy problems occur too often.
    Remove fill words and unusual tags in the prompt. They can cause a quality reduction with Big Love Ultra/Hyper as they were not trained. Shorter prompts should work better as it is less likely that bad or untrained tags are in it.

    SFW Output - No Tits Please
    "Is there a trick so that Big Love doesn't always generate raised shirts or visible breasts?" I get this asked so often, while it is so obvious. Big Love knows what men want so it gives it to them. Negatives don't work that well for it. So you got to speak to it in the positive prompt like you were taking to a nun. "Breasts? How dare you speak such an obscene word to me." Don't mention breasts or any of these sexy parts. Instead describe clothes a lot. Don't write down your impure thoughts. God forbid! Yeah, I know, so hard. Describe her body shape, which also implies certain tits underneath the clothes.

    XL Prompting Advice
    SDXL prompts & prompts from various SDXL checkpoints work with it. Pony prompts too, but they create a more photorealistic look. Natural language prompts tend to create artistic glamour images with less skin detail while normal tags do more photo-style images. Big Love XL gives individual words more attention, so you don't need to rework prompts like Big Love Pony requires sometimes.
    XL1/XL2 has a tendancy towards cuteness and bright skin. If you get too much of it, remove words like cute, sweet, pale/fair skin & flash from the prompt. It also creates realistical analog photos with reduced image quality. Sometimes better to remove terms like analog or grain to increase quality. Decrease cfg to get a more natural look.
    XL2.5 can sometimes get too sharp. Reduce cfg or use less steps in img2img to make images softer.

    Pony Prompting Advice
    Pony prompts & prompts from other checkpoints work with it. Score tags and fill words like masterpiece or perfect skin have as good as no effect usually. A negative prompt is often unnecessary unless you want to make something vanish or avoid underage, but it can also change the style of the image.
    Pure booru tags and some other samplers may produce Pony style. Photographic terms or a simple prompts ensure a photo look. Sometimes it refuses to produce medium shots, portraits or close-ups unless you weigh the term heavily or remove feet, shoes, high heels, boots etc. from the prompt. wavy hair sometimes does not look so great.
    If it refuses to do porn, try simplifying the prompt. If you want to do a portrait, don't describe surroundings too much. If you want to do porn, describe the action mainly and don't focus on the people or surroundings in the prompt. The largest part of the prompt should be about the main subject of the image.
    If a prompt does not produce the intended image, you often only need to modify it a bit to make it work perfectly.

    Using Character Loras
    Big Love Pony supports Pony characters, but they look like real humans. There were some complaints about them not working, but the problem was not the model itself so far. So here are some tips:
    * Try Pony as well as SDXL character loras
    * Use a lora weight up to 1.5 if it does not reduce quality
    * If it is a well known character, add the name in the prompt and also give it a higher weight if necessary.
    * Check your negative prompt for problems. Delete it if necessary and rewrite it from scratch.
    * Render a lot of images to be able to pick those with the best resemblance.

    More SDXL Photorealism:
    You can highly improve the images generated with this model by using img2img, upscaling, detailing etc. The SDXL Lightning lora enhances the look and constrast despite only 8 steps. Alternatively, the SDXL DMD2 lora produces a sharp, but more natural look with less contrast. Also check out the Subtle Style loras, which nicely enhance images.

    Big Love License

    Big Love SDXL versions are licensed under CreativeML Open RAIL++M (dated July 26, 2023), the Big Love Z-Image, Ernie & Qwen versions are licensed under Apache 2.0, and the Big Love Klein versions are licensed under the FLUX Non-Commercial License with the following additional terms:


    For clarity, the following version tiers are defined:
    Restricted versions: Ultra, Hyper, Klein, Zia, Zuna, Eryn, Gwen
    Open versions: Pony, XL, Photo, Insta, Lust, ZT

    1. You may use Big Love without crediting the creator.
    2. You may sell the images that it generates.
    3. You may only run the official Big Love versions of the SubtleShader account on Civitai and Tensor Art. Running it on other public or shared servers commercially (including other Civitai and Tensor Art accounts) requires a separate license or permission from the creator.
    4. You may not sell this model or merges of this model.
    5. You may not merge, share merges of, or share LoRA extractions incorporating Restricted versions. You may merge and share merges of Open versions.
    6. When sharing the allowed merges of Open versions, as well as finetunes of them, you must apply these same additional license terms.
    7. Redistribution of Restricted versions is prohibited. They may only be obtained from official sources designated by the creator.
    8. All use-based restrictions of the CreativeML Open RAIL++M license apply to SDXL versions and their derivatives. All use-based restrictions of the FLUX Non-Commercial License apply to Klein versions and their derivatives.
    9. Any restrictions in these additional terms may be waived only with explicit written permission from the creator.

    TLDR: This is basically the same license as before (just stated more clearly), so nothing changes for the Pony, XL, Photo, Insta, Lust and ZT versions of Big Love. However, restrictions were added for Ultra, Hyper, Klein, Zia, Zuna, Eryn and Gwen versions (no merging, no redistribution). The "Share merges" condition below the license on the right hand side was only deactivated because of the restricted versions. Merging is still allowed for the open versions.

    Many thanks to the creators of SDXL, Z, Flux klein, Pony, bigAsp and Lustify for making their wonderful models available. Big thanks to RaymondLuxuryYacht for allowing me to train on his fabulous images.

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    Sharper, more photorealistic, brighter, balanced highlights, better skin texture, more detailed textures, improved lighting

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    Comments (96)

    6tZJul 9, 2025· 3 reactions
    CivitAI

    Looks fantastic! Great work as always <3

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 9, 2025

    Thanks!

    TezozomoctliJul 9, 2025· 10 reactions
    CivitAI

    Getting a notification from SubtleShader gives out the same sensation you receive when a new episode of game of thrones came out back in the day.

    You never disappoint.

    SLACK69Jul 10, 2025
    CivitAI

    any plans for a DMD model?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 10, 2025

    No. Just use the lora. More versatile this way.

    dukesupsJul 10, 2025· 15 reactions
    CivitAI

    BABE WAKE UP A NEW BIGLOVE XL JUST DROPPED <3

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 10, 2025· 13 reactions
    CivitAI

    If Pony3 & XL4 produce too much sharpness & skin details in some images, you can tune it down by reducing the number of steps, using a DMD2 lora strength below 1.0 or with more than 0.4 denoise in img2img.

    Learning2025Jul 10, 2025
    CivitAI

    Images created with XL4 are all very close up and cut from the top despite the prompt. Also, why do you recommend clip skip 2 when you don't use it in your workflows?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 10, 2025

    I only get closeup images when I prompt closeup. And I often do. Check your prompt & remove it if you don't want that. This has nothing to do with the checkpoint itself. You can also prompt full body to achieve the opposite. I use Forge which automatically uses clip skip 2.

    Learning2025Jul 10, 2025

    @SubtleShader I use ComfyUI. I was baffled with the closeups, my prompt doesn't have close up or anything like that. I didn't see a use for the clipskip2. The Pony3 model is amazing, I'll give the XL4 more testing.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 10, 2025· 3 reactions

    @Learning2023 Try full body or mention shoes or feet. Some prompts also imply closeup by only describing certain body parts

    yadolbin626Jul 10, 2025
    CivitAI

    Cool model. Very realistic! Didn't see any bugs with arms, legs and faces. I wish they could generate it faster!

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 10, 2025· 1 reaction

    Thanks. Takes just 4 seconds for a 1024x1496 image on my 4070S.

    ShinyLillyJul 10, 2025· 1 reaction

    It will generate faster if you use the DMD lora + LCM sampler?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 10, 2025

    @ShinyLilly Yes, 3-6x faster. Only needs 8 steps & LCM is faster than other samplers.

    TheKennelJul 12, 2025· 2 reactions
    CivitAI

    This model is unbelievably good. I just found it recently, but so far it's the best I've seen. Incredible.

    DeepwoodJul 13, 2025· 1 reaction
    CivitAI

    I'm seeing a sharp decrease in overall fidelity compared to earlier versions, even when using the same prompts/seeds. Blurriness seems to be the top factor. Any thoughts?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 13, 2025· 1 reaction

    Actually XL4 & Pony3 are the sharpest of all. Followed by XL 2.5 and XL3. XL3 can produce sharp as well as soft images depending on prompt or seed. All other versions are softer on average. Try the DMD2 lora. The never versions are optimized for it.

    istvan_48816Jul 13, 2025· 4 reactions
    CivitAI

    I'm stunned by the results of the XL4 version. The best so far. Keep up the great work!

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 13, 2025

    Thanks!

    N_DollsJul 15, 2025· 5 reactions
    CivitAI

    go next BDSM versions

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 15, 2025

    Sorry, not my thing. I'm sure there are plenty of loras for that.

    OdditiesJul 16, 2025
    CivitAI

    Having some issues getting good results without DMD2 on XL4. I have experimented with steps in range 30-50 and CFG at [3, 5, 7, 10]. Sampler is DPM++ SDE with Karras scheduling.

    Is DMD2/hyper lora required? I think that usually works good, but a lot of detail seems to get lost.

    Edit: Don't know what changed today, but loaded same prompt and now results look a little bit better.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 16, 2025

    With DMD2 lora you need to use 8 steps, cfg 1, LCM sampler & Exponential scheduler.
    The settings you mention work without DMD2.

    OdditiesJul 16, 2025

    @SubtleShader I have DMD2 LoRA removed when doing this; I will try to generate some example images. Is a VAE baked in? Could be my issue. Also wanted to say, thank you for your content.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 16, 2025· 1 reaction

    TwistedOddity Right. Yes, VAE embedded. Try DMD2. It was optimized for it. Lightning lora works too, but is useful in img2img for more texture.

    zczcgJul 17, 2025

    SubtleShader where is the dmd lora,thanks!

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 17, 2025

    zczcg Look right above the Discussion section. You scrolled past it & did not see it. Also a link in the description.

    farto972Jul 17, 2025· 5 reactions
    CivitAI

    XL4 is a nice step forward and improved in the right corners. Better texture, lightning, composition as previous versions. Getting more than 3 people into interaction is still tricky, but I guess that's a generel sdxl thing. Overall: very good stuff here!

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 17, 2025· 1 reaction

    Thanks. Yes, 3 or more people are always tricky. The more people the more problems.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 17, 2025· 33 reactions
    CivitAI

    Big Love XL5 News

    I just started the very first finetune run of Big Love XL5. So the next version will be trained & not just merged. A big ❤️ thanks to all who supported me on TA by activating Big Love there. You made this possible.

    kaedansebastian529Jul 19, 2025

    You got big money from Tensor, or why? Anyway good news.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 19, 2025

    kaedansebastian529 Small money 😆. Enough for electricity costs or online training. Found ways to finetune more efficiently than I thought possible. Still figuring out the best settings.

    kaedansebastian529Jul 19, 2025

    SubtleShader Good luck. Is your models still available at tensor after the purge? I wasnt there since then.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 19, 2025

    kaedansebastian529 Yes, still on TA. Only kept the SFW showcase images.

    dukesupsJul 21, 2025· 1 reaction

    dude slow down we just got XL4 its so fun (pls dont slow down lol)

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 21, 2025· 3 reactions

    dukesups XL5 won't come so soon. Finetuning is serious shit. A lot of trial and error. Training loras is a piece of cake in comparison.

    katzmandou186Jul 18, 2025
    CivitAI

    no matter what I do, it comes our super plastic and blurry. Which settings do you use?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 18, 2025

    The settings are in the metadata of each of my images. You can drag & drop them right into A1111 or Forge. If you post a image with metadata and send the link, I can take look. But sounds like the DMD2 lora is not used.

    FinnHumanJul 19, 2025

    SubtleShader https://civitai.com/images/89193105

    Here, I also can't generate a good image.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 19, 2025

    FinnHuman What generation tool do you use?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 20, 2025

    FinnHuman Here is what Forge produces with your metadata: https://civitai.com/posts/19805735
    A1111 & Forge have the same generation engine, so the images should look the same.
    You likely have some option activated that causes this problem. No idea which. I did not use A1111 for quite while, because it renders much slower than Forge.
    Ok, I see you got the prompt from DrAIvyn...

    FinnHumanJul 20, 2025· 1 reaction

    SubtleShader Yeap, Forge generates better pics

    LVNDSCAPEJul 19, 2025· 3 reactions
    CivitAI

    I read in your guide that Clip Skip 2 should be used in Forge.

    How can one add Clip Skip 2 for SDXL in Forge Webui?

    I only have Clip Skip with version displayed to be selected in the standard (SD) Forge profile.

    in the SDXL profile i activated the SDXL Clip skip support in the Forge Settings.

    But this though does not shows if it's Clip Skip 2 if activated.


    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 19, 2025· 1 reaction

    A1111/Forge automatically use clip skip 2 for any SDXL checkpoint. No neeed to do anything. Don't overthink. Just try.

    MirandoPaCuencaJul 19, 2025· 2 reactions

    In Forge, set the selector to 'all' instead of 'SDXL'. This will bring up the CLIP selector, allowing you to set the desired value. And yes, if you set the selector to 'all' you can load any model, be it SD15, SDXL, FLUX.

    stbeerystudios662Jul 23, 2025· 3 reactions
    CivitAI

    Worked really well for me. Thanks

    Blankslate_03Jul 23, 2025· 2 reactions
    CivitAI

    Neat

    modelsshedevil129Jul 23, 2025· 3 reactions
    CivitAI

    Its a good model, but you have to clean up the pony-ness its too much plus theres a lot "garbage" buried in this model. Had fun with it but moved on to better SDXL models.

    Cant wait for the finetune. hope you can swing me back to BigLove

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 24, 2025

    Ponyness only comes out with certain prompts. It is buried very deep within. What do you mean with garbage? The finetune results so far point to more photorealism. Better is always in the eye of the beholder and very subjective. But glad I did not just get a "This is the best model ever" review, which you can find below every model.

    dallasinpalace319Jul 24, 2025· 3 reactions
    CivitAI

    Hi, thank you for your work. Is it just me, or does your model generate hands better than most? I'm specifically looking at models designed for realism.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 24, 2025

    It can do hands nicely, but stil produces 4 or 6 fingers occasionally. But easy to fix with the extra seed feature.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 26, 2025· 27 reactions
    CivitAI

    Big Love Photo1

    ... will have a more photographic quality, so I decided to call it "Photo" instead of XL. It will be finetuned on 2000 images (12 training sets from my loras, 4 new sets, 66% NSFW, 33% SFW).

    The future Photo2 version will include up to 50 new concepts, so feel free to write below what you would like to see included.

    There will likely be a XL5 version (merge with Photo1) later, which will keep more of the typical XL look. I also have plans for Artistic and Insta versions of Big Love.

    Thanks again for your support on TA, which allows me to devote more time to my Big Love. Another motivation for me is to further improve SDXL, which stagnated too much in 2025 in my view.

    ncapsu1e08348Jul 26, 2025· 3 reactions

    Nice! Can't wait to check it out. How far off are you from release? - By the way, love your work, truly amazing talent.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 26, 2025· 1 reaction

    ncapsu1e08348 Thsnks.Hopefully will be released in the first half of August. Depends on the progress.

    ncapsu1e08348Jul 26, 2025· 2 reactions

    SubtleShader Looking forward to it!

    perfectgfJul 26, 2025· 3 reactions

    You r the best

    messiahezekiel471Jul 29, 2025

    What do you mean about concepts? Make every possible sex pose easily promptable:) Or add some thousands gorgeous insta, e-babes(shhh).

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Jul 29, 2025· 1 reaction

    messiahezekiel471 Concept is a common term in AI training: a specific visual idea like a person, object, style, or (sex) pose that the model learns to recognize and reproduce. Among other things Big Love Photo1 should reproduce various sex positions as well anal vs vaginal sex more reliably. I also added the beauty, cuteness and real cuteness sets. A special Insta version will come later.

    mqblbhaiJul 30, 2025· 1 reaction

    Please add better concept for footjob in the next version. Currently the sdxl version is prone to make it a penetration scene when using the tag 'footjob'. Thank you for all your lovely work.

    gilbert895647265Aug 1, 2025

    Great idea!

    Indeed, it seems that developments in AI on the stable diffusion side have been stagnating lately... But if I have one idea to suggest, it would be to try to do something with faces, to create real, different faces rather than similar ones. A bit like Reve.art.

    influaipro749Aug 2, 2025

    Very nice work ! Thks for all
    Can you pls do an inpainting model ?

    bobbelly404707Aug 3, 2025

    influaipro749 Have you tried Soft Inpainting, such as in A1111? Removes the need for an inpainting model and you can make use of Big Love standard.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Aug 3, 2025

    bobbelly404707 Thanks. Described here: https://stable-diffusion-art.com/soft-inpainting/

    dukesupsAug 4, 2025

    If youre still in training mode for the Photo Model, some vintage film coloring and grain stuff would be really cool! Like 80s polaroid vibes, a closer adherence to stuff like sepia, b&w, etc.

    Sometimes i mess with LUT files with a custom node, would be interesting to get more of that natively. <3

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Aug 4, 2025· 2 reactions

    dukesups Doing a hopefully last round of finetuning to get 3 concepts to work better. Will train on retro stuff in a future version.

    mikaaarish409Aug 13, 2025· 1 reaction

    dukesups Sepia, black and white, colored film styles are the last one, what a model needs.

    Free lightweight pic viewers, editors can add this postprocess filter.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Aug 13, 2025

    mikaaarish409 There are more complex retro effects that are better trained.

    influaipro749Aug 17, 2025

    bobbelly404707 ,Wow thx for the tips :)

    influaipro749Aug 17, 2025

    Any updates ?
    Btw, is it possible to train the model or a future one to make the eyes look more alive? Right now, the eyes often feels empty

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Aug 17, 2025· 1 reaction

    influaipro749 Just train a lora

    nobody_nowhereJul 31, 2025· 2 reactions
    CivitAI

    An inpainting version would be wonderful.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Aug 1, 2025· 1 reaction

    Ok, will try and test if a special inpainting version is better at inpainting.

    bobbelly404707Aug 3, 2025· 1 reaction

    Soft Inpainting disregards the need for an inpainting model in my testing.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Aug 3, 2025· 1 reaction

    bobbelly404707 Thanks. Described here:https://stable-diffusion-art.com/soft-inpainting/

    upscaleanon537Aug 2, 2025· 7 reactions
    CivitAI

    Incredibly restrictive model, at least the XL4.

    Can't even do anal from behind, it keeps doing vaginal every time. Only really works if you do for example missionary.

    Heck, even trying to do vaginal in missionary position keeps making it do anal every now and then or vaginal that looks really bad. This model is really restrictive and has very little creativity.

    Trying to gen a trap was a pain in the ass too because genning 1boy, feminine made it gen a female instead and having penis in the prompt just gave her a dildo.

    It does however produce amazing results, once you can strangle it in just the correct way and happen to get something good out of it. But it's just too painful to use for my taste.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Aug 2, 2025· 1 reaction

    Sounds like Big Love does not like you. Sorry. It has been very nice to me. Can't force love. Try another one.

    nroonarij129Aug 2, 2025· 2 reactions

    Have you tried LORAs for the positions you cannot get easily?

    The vaginal/anal confusion tends to be standard for many SDXL checkpoints in my experience. If you compare it to Pony that ONLY does NSFW with a restricted look and uninspiring backgrounds, then better use that... Big Love XL4 offers much more and works great for beautiful backgrounds and the like, but the price for that kind of versatility is that you cannot as easily get every single NSFW scenario out of the box. Check LORAs, and perhaps let the checkpoint guide you to good images rather than trying to force it to do exactly what you have in your head.

    EDIT: To prove my point I fired up XL4 with "Subtle Poses - XL3 anal sex" LORA. It took me just under 2 minutes to get a decent back anal. Check the prompt details and adapt as necessary, DM me if you have any questions: https://civitai.com/images/91923761

    harleyshrey712Aug 3, 2025

    nroonarij129 Funny thing, its based on Bigasp. I used that model only once, but with several million datas it should know at least the more common poses.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Aug 3, 2025· 2 reactions

    harleyshrey712 All available taggers are shitty at detecting sex poses and distinguishing anal from vaginal. Why SDXL is not great at it. Needs to be tagged manually (or taggers need to be trained better with manual tagging). What I'm doing with my current Photo1 finetune of Big Love.

    harleyshrey712Aug 3, 2025· 1 reaction

    SubtleShader Great. How many pics do you must tag?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Aug 3, 2025· 1 reaction

    harleyshrey712 Worked with 250 images when training the loras. Trying with half of that now.

    8883717Aug 7, 2025· 1 reaction

    Personally, XL3 and Pony 2 models seems better than the new ones. I'll have to try them again to see why I deleted them...

    F370NAug 9, 2025

    This makes you sound like an ignorant weirdo.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Aug 9, 2025· 1 reaction

    F370N No insults please. I heard from various people who prefered older versions of Big Love. Tastes are different.

    F370NAug 12, 2025

    SubtleShader I'm not insulting anyone, brother. I'd want someone to let me know if I was coming off like that.

    influaipro749Aug 2, 2025· 3 reactions
    CivitAI

    How can i train effectively a person lora to work with it and DMD2 ?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Aug 2, 2025· 1 reaction

    Just set Big Love as the checkpoint to train on. Use the default lora settings of OneTrainer & you are done.

    influaipro749Aug 10, 2025· 2 reactions

    SubtleShader Thx dude, amazing work

    4598756Aug 17, 2025· 2 reactions

    it works fine on civitai too, choose custom and big_love ;)

    influaipro749Aug 2, 2025· 5 reactions
    CivitAI

    Wich controlnet should i use with it ? what about the settings ? I can't get something cool

    thomas852002887Aug 9, 2025· 3 reactions
    CivitAI

    BigLoveXL4 + DMD2 Workflow is really an amazing combo! Does anyone have a modified workflow that includes regional/couple prompting ?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Aug 9, 2025· 1 reaction

    Thanks. I will update it a bit more with the next version. Sorry, did not use regional prompting since SD1.5 times.

    thomas852002887Aug 9, 2025· 2 reactions

    SubtleShader Thank you so much!

    cantrellsamari795Aug 14, 2025· 1 reaction
    CivitAI

    Ultimate 1girl printer, if you gather some good wildcards. I use XL1, it works the best without dmd, lighting lora.