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    Big Love Klein3 is also offered for $10 on Tensor Art. You can get Big Love Eryn1, Ultra5, Photo6, Zuna1 or Zia1 for $5.50 and Gwen1 or Hyper1 for $10 on Fanvue. Click 'Follow', buy a post, check your Fanvue DMs! A subscription includes the latest release and new ones within 30 days. Any problem? Contact me via chat.

    To create up to 85 free images per day in highest quality you can use Big Love here. For discussing photorealistic image generation join me on Discord.

    Big Love Klein is a fine-tune of Flux 2 klein. It can do txt2img and also edit images with prompts. It only needs 4 steps, so is quite fast. Check the "About this version" box on the right for info on the individual variants. Some are up to 3x faster.
    It is recommended to use it with ComfyUI. Put the downloaded model into the diffusion models sub folder of ComfyUI. You also need qwen_3_8b_fp8mixed.safetensors in the text_encoders sub folder (Qwen3-8B-Q5_K_M.gguf wth 8 GB VRAM) and flux2-vae.safetensors in the vae sub folder.
    Settings are 4 steps (2 steps for upscaling), cfg1, Euler sampler, Beta scheduler, 832x1216, 1024x1536, 1280x1920 or 1536x2240 pixels

    Big Love Gwen is a finetune of Qwen Edit 2511 and can do NSFW image editing. It produces more realistic and sharp images with better skin texture & genitals than other Qwen checkpoints/loras. Txt2img is less reliable, but generates nice results too.
    Big Love Gwen1 allows commercial usage without additional fees (if no auto-generation involved) unlike Big Love Klein. With its better anatomy it is easier to get good editing results. As fast at 6 steps as Klein at 4 steps. Check the "About this version" box on the right for info on the individual variants.
    It is recommended to use ComfyUI. The Gwen1 workflows offer a skin enhance feature that is not available in Forge Neo. Move the Gwen1 model file into the diffusion_model sub folder of the models folder of ComfyUI, qwen_2.5_vl_7b_fp8_scaled.safetensors into the text_encoder sub folder and qwen_image_vae.safetensors into the vae sub folder.
    For training a lora read here for Gwen1.
    Settings are 6 steps (3 steps for upscaling), cfg1, Euler sampler, Beta scheduler, 832x1216 or 1024x1536 pixels.

    Big Love Eryn is a fine-tune of Ernie-Image(-Turbo). You can run it locally with ComfyUI and Forge Neo. The fp8 version works with 8 & 12 GB VRAM. Use the (pruned) bf16 version if you have 16 GB VRAM or more. The "Full" versions are only meant for training a lora (coming soon!). Put the downloaded model into the diffusion models sub folder of ComfyUI or the StableDiffusion sub folder of Forge Neo. You additionally need to place ministral-3-3b.safetensors in the text_encoder sub folder and flux2-vae.safetensors in the VAE sub folder.
    Settings are 4-6 steps (3-4 steps for upscaling), cfg1, Euler sampler, Beta scheduler, 832x1216 or 1024x1536 pixels.

    Big Love Hyper supports generating at image sizes of 1664x2232 (4 megapixel) and higher with SDXL. Can be easily upscaled to 9 megapixel unlike the normal low-res images. Hyper currently has not fully stable anatomy, so needs more runs. Some prompts work better than others. It produces highly detailed and life-like images close to real photos. It has a special quality that cannot be achieved by just upscaling. The Hyper versions of Big Love are pay-only and special license conditions apply (see below).
    Settings are DMD2 lora with strength 1.0, LCM Exponential, 8 steps, cfg 1, clip skip 2, 1664x2432 or 1536x2240. Upscale with img2img with DMD2 lora with strength 1.0, same prompt, LCM Exponential, 1.25-1.5x, 4-8 steps, cfg 1, 0.3-0.5 denoise, clip skip 2.

    Big Love ZT, Zia or Zuna are fine-tunes of Z-Image(-Turbo) on the Big Love dataset. You can run it locally with ComfyUI and Forge Neo. The fp8 version works faster with 8 GB VRAM but produces more noise so may sometimes look more realistic, but details are not as good. Use the (pruned) bf16 version if you have 12 GB VRAM or more. The "Full" version is only meant for training a lora. Put the downloaded model into the diffusion models sub folder of ComfyUI or the StableDiffusion sub folder of Forge Neo. To make Big Love ZT/Zia/Zuna work you additionally need to place qwen3_4b.safetensors in the text_encoder sub folder and ae.saftendors in the VAE sub folder.
    Settings are 8 steps, cfg1, Euler or DPM++ 2s a RF sampler, Normal or Simple or Beta scheduler, 832x1216, 1024x1536 or 1280x1920 pixels. For upscaling 8 steps, cfg1, Euler sampler, Normal or Simple or Beta scheduler, 1.5x upscale.

    Big Love Ultra supports generating at image sizes of 1280x1870, 1360x1984 and higher. Can be easily upscaled to 6 megapixel unlike the normal low-res images. More photorealistic and detailed. A special quality that cannot be achieved by just upscaling. Ultra produces more details & sharpness when upscaling and detailing low-res images. The Ultra versions of Big Love are pay-only and special license conditions apply. See below.
    Settings are DMD2 lora with strength 1.0, LCM Exponential, 8 steps, cfg 1, clip skip 2, 1280x1864 or 1360x1984. Upscale with img2img with DMD2 lora with strength 1.0, same prompt, LCM Exponential, 1.25-1.5x, 4-8 steps, cfg 1, lora strength 1.0, 0.3-0.5 denoise, clip skip 2.

    Big Love Photo and Insta1 are finetuned versions of XL. Lust1 is a finetuned version of Lustify merged with Photo. They were trained on thousands of images and dozens of new concepts. Why they are the most realistic and versatile. For more details and prompting Photo1 read this article.
    Settings are DMD2 lora with strength 1.0, LCM Exponential, 8 steps, cfg 1, clip skip 2, 832x1216 or 1024x1496. Upscale with img2img with DMD2 lora, same prompt, LCM Exponential, 1.25-1.5, 4-8 steps, cfg 1, lora strength 1.0, 0.3-0.5 denoise, clip skip 2.

    Big Love XL is a combination of 5 different training branches of SDXL: original SDXL, bigASP, NatVis, Anteros and Pony. With a bit of Pony in it, some Pony loras (poses, characters) work too. It outputs a more photorealistic & creative look than the Pony versions and can also do paintings & cartoon.
    Settings are DMD2 lora with strength 1.0, LCM Exponential, 8 steps, cfg 1-1.5, clip skip 2, 832x1216 or 1024x1496. Upscale with img2img with DMD2 lora, same prompt, LCM Exponential, 1.5-2x, 8-12 steps (XL1/XL2), 4-8 steps (XL2.5-XL4), cfg 1, lora strength 1.0, 0.3-0.5 denoise, clip skip 2.

    Big Love Pony produces different images than both Pony & SDXL-based models. Pony tags are understood, but interpreted a bit differently. Some images lean more in the one or other direction depending on the prompt. It works with Pony loras as well as normal SDXL ones. It can turn anime/cartoon into photorealistic images in img2img. Pony3 includes a bit of Illustrious.
    Settings are DMD2 lora with strength 1.0, LCM Exponential, 8 steps, cfg 1-1.5, clip skip 2, 832x1216 or 1024x1496. Upscale with img2img with DMD2 lora, same prompt, LCM Exponential, 1.5-2x, 8-12 steps, cfg 1, lora strength 1.0, 0.3-0.5 denoise, clip skip 2.

    ComfyUI Workflow:
    Download one of the following images and drag'n'drop it onto Comfy:
    Klein, Eryn and Gwen workflows are embedded in the showcase images.
    Z-Turbo/Z-Base txt2img & Upscale Workflow (recommended)
    SDLX DMD2 txt2img & Upscale Workflow (recommended)
    SDXL DMD2 txt2ing & Upscale for Big Love Ultra
    SDXL DMD2 img2img Workflow
    SDXL Lightning Workflow

    Trained Concepts
    Newer versions of Big Love include the concepts of older versions, e.g. Photo4 can do everything that Photo1 to Photo3 can do and more. The only exception are the Insta concepts, but they have been partially added to never versions too.
    Photo6/Ultra5: ai-style, bodyscape, butt plug, candid amateur, cumshot, illustrious-style, outdoor sex, partner fingering, photoart, innie pussy, ray-style, rebellious, reflection, sensual, sexy ass, sweetheart, wedgie
    Photo5/Ultra4/Hyper1: alluring, anal sex, artistic photo, artistic pinup, charming, cum portrait, cute asian, cute pinup, cute portrait, double oral, dreamy-style, face pov, fantasy pinup, fantasy-style, kai-style, lowkey, mj-style, outdoor flashing, photo art, pole dance, public indecency, public nudity, rock climbing, scify-style, sword pose, vaginal sex
    Photo4/Photo4.5/Ultra2/Ultra3: 2girls kissing, acrobatic sex, average face, beautiful face, amateur pinup, anal fingering, artistic portrait, cuddling, cum swapping, doggystyle pov, even skin color, fashion photo, female masturbation, female pov, finger licking, food porn, footjob, french kiss, full nelson, funny movie, funny tongue out, insta cute, legs pov, low contrast, mirror portrait, nude pose, oral pov, orgasm face, outdoor nude, penis licking, pinup photo, pro photo, pro portrait, pussy licking, sex pov, sexy portrait, vaginal fingering, waterfall
    Photo3/Lust1/Ultra1: 360 degree photo, 3d selfie, 69 position, adorable, alt beauty, anal gape, anal sex, average face, beach life, beautiful, beautiful face, candidness, cum, cute, deepthroat, dildo insertion, double exposure, enthusiastic, extreme pose, faces, fashion photo, female pov, fisting, follow me pov, girl next door, gorgeous, handjob, heroin chic, huge feet, huge hands, huge nipples, light rays, light streaks, lighting, low/mid/high contrast, lowkey/midkey/highkey, low/mid/high saturation, middle finger, motion blur, object insertion, detailed eyes, teeth, pro photo, pussy gape, real life, rooftop, round ass, sad, sexy pose, skin texture, skin tone, spread pussy, squirting, street portrait, testicle licking, testicle sucking, vaginal sex, voluminous hair, water splash
    Insta1: amateur photo, fashion photo, insta selfie, pinup photo, pro photo, real life, big ass, bimbo, cute, luxurious, adorable, enthusiastic, average face, beautiful face, detailed eyes, sexy legs.
    Photo2: 3d selfie, 69 position, adorable, alt beauty , amateur photo, ball licking, ball sucking, beach life, bubble butt, low/mid/high contrast, dildo insertion, double exposure, enthusiastic, extreme pose, female pov, follow me pov, forced perspective, girl next door, gorgeous, handjob, heroin chic, huge feet, huge hands, huge nipples, light rays, light streaks, lighting, middle finger, motion blur, no tan lines, object insertion, pussy gape, rooftop, sad, low/mid/high saturation, sexy pose, squirting, street portrait, water splash.
    Photo1: amateur photo, pro photo, lighting, lowkey, midkey, highkey, beautiful, cute, candid, real life, average face, remarkable face, voluminous hair, skin tone, skin texture, 360 degree photo, spread pussy, deepthroat, fisting, anal gape, anal sex, vaginal sex.

    Training a (character) lora
    My advice is this: Take 10-30 high quality images (at least 50-100 for styles or poses), download OneTrainer, click the SDXL lora preset, choose Big Love as the base checkpoint, add your images as a concept, add tags on the Tools tab, and start training. If you train on Big Love Ultra change the training resolution to 1536 and provide 1248x1832 images.
    You will only get the full Big Love quality by training on real photos or extremely photorealistic images, which is usually not the case with a fictional character. It is all about image quality and not choosing boring images. Don't add posing images to a character lora, because Big Love provides the posing later for it. Focus mainly on good portraits with a few upper and full body images. Rather fewer higher quality images than a lot of average images. Read here for traing a lora on Big Love ZT2, ZT3, Zia1, Zuna1 or Eryn1.

    Fixing Anatomy
    If you want to keep the seed and repair anatomical problems in an image, activate the Extra checkbox in A1111/Forge and set Variation Strength to 0.01 to 0.1. Then generate until anatomy is fine. In Comfy there are sampler nodes that support variation seed (e.g. Inspire Pack), which do the same thing. Also possible to change steps or add commas to the prompt, but I do not recommend it. Extra/Variation Seed is more powerful and convenient as it gives you endless variations with just one click. There is always a variation which looks similar or even better with great anatomy.
    You don't need negative prompts for this. They are rather ineffective. You can also change the positive prompt to suppress things. Anatomy problems are also created by the prompt if you prompt contradicting poses that the model cannot combine. Better to fix the prompt first then.

    Reducing Saturation, Warm Colors and Sharpness
    These SDXL loras reduces the saturation and change the color temperature without reducing image quality. The lora strength defines the effect. Negative values increase saturation or add more warmth. To make an image softer use a lower strength for the DMD2 lora, e.g. 0.95, 0.9, 0.85.

    Big Love Hyper/Ultra/Photo Sizes

    Big Love Hyper supports these image sizes:
    1664x2432 (recommend)
    1536x2240
    Big Love Ultra supports these image sizes:
    1360x1984
    1280x1872 (recommend)
    Big Love Photo supports these image sizes:
    1024x1496 (recommend)
    832x1216
    You can also use the 16:9 or 2:3 versions of these image sizes as well as landscape orientation, but the above should be more reliable.
    The higher the image size, the lower the probability of good results. If you get too many problems with a higher image size, switch to the lower one. Some prompts do higher sizes fine, some do not. Do not use a lower image size than the recommended one, otherwise image quality will be lower. With higher image sizes anatomy problems occur too often.
    Remove fill words and unusual tags in the prompt. They can cause a quality reduction with Big Love Ultra/Hyper as they were not trained. Shorter prompts should work better as it is less likely that bad or untrained tags are in it.

    SFW Output - No Tits Please
    "Is there a trick so that Big Love doesn't always generate raised shirts or visible breasts?" I get this asked so often, while it is so obvious. Big Love knows what men want so it gives it to them. Negatives don't work that well for it. So you got to speak to it in the positive prompt like you were taking to a nun. "Breasts? How dare you speak such an obscene word to me." Don't mention breasts or any of these sexy parts. Instead describe clothes a lot. Don't write down your impure thoughts. God forbid! Yeah, I know, so hard. Describe her body shape, which also implies certain tits underneath the clothes.

    XL Prompting Advice
    SDXL prompts & prompts from various SDXL checkpoints work with it. Pony prompts too, but they create a more photorealistic look. Natural language prompts tend to create artistic glamour images with less skin detail while normal tags do more photo-style images. Big Love XL gives individual words more attention, so you don't need to rework prompts like Big Love Pony requires sometimes.
    XL1/XL2 has a tendancy towards cuteness and bright skin. If you get too much of it, remove words like cute, sweet, pale/fair skin & flash from the prompt. It also creates realistical analog photos with reduced image quality. Sometimes better to remove terms like analog or grain to increase quality. Decrease cfg to get a more natural look.
    XL2.5 can sometimes get too sharp. Reduce cfg or use less steps in img2img to make images softer.

    Pony Prompting Advice
    Pony prompts & prompts from other checkpoints work with it. Score tags and fill words like masterpiece or perfect skin have as good as no effect usually. A negative prompt is often unnecessary unless you want to make something vanish or avoid underage, but it can also change the style of the image.
    Pure booru tags and some other samplers may produce Pony style. Photographic terms or a simple prompts ensure a photo look. Sometimes it refuses to produce medium shots, portraits or close-ups unless you weigh the term heavily or remove feet, shoes, high heels, boots etc. from the prompt. wavy hair sometimes does not look so great.
    If it refuses to do porn, try simplifying the prompt. If you want to do a portrait, don't describe surroundings too much. If you want to do porn, describe the action mainly and don't focus on the people or surroundings in the prompt. The largest part of the prompt should be about the main subject of the image.
    If a prompt does not produce the intended image, you often only need to modify it a bit to make it work perfectly.

    Using Character Loras
    Big Love Pony supports Pony characters, but they look like real humans. There were some complaints about them not working, but the problem was not the model itself so far. So here are some tips:
    * Try Pony as well as SDXL character loras
    * Use a lora weight up to 1.5 if it does not reduce quality
    * If it is a well known character, add the name in the prompt and also give it a higher weight if necessary.
    * Check your negative prompt for problems. Delete it if necessary and rewrite it from scratch.
    * Render a lot of images to be able to pick those with the best resemblance.

    More SDXL Photorealism:
    You can highly improve the images generated with this model by using img2img, upscaling, detailing etc. The SDXL Lightning lora enhances the look and constrast despite only 8 steps. Alternatively, the SDXL DMD2 lora produces a sharp, but more natural look with less contrast. Also check out the Subtle Style loras, which nicely enhance images.

    Big Love License

    Big Love SDXL versions are licensed under CreativeML Open RAIL++M, the Big Love Z-Image, Ernie & Qwen versions are licensed under Apache 2.0, and the Big Love Klein versions are licensed under the FLUX Non-Commercial License with the following additional terms:


    For clarity, the following version tiers are defined:
    Restricted versions: Ultra, Hyper, Klein, Zia, Zuna, Eryn, Gwen
    Open versions: Pony, XL, Photo, Insta, Lust, ZT

    1. You may use Big Love without crediting the creator.
    2. You may sell the images that it generates.
    3. You may only run the official Big Love versions of the SubtleShader account on Civitai and Tensor Art. Running it on other public or shared servers commercially (including other Civitai and Tensor Art accounts) requires a separate license or permission from the creator.
    4. You may not sell this model or merges of this model.
    5. You may not merge, share merges of, or share LoRA extractions incorporating Restricted versions. You may merge and share merges of Open versions.
    6. When sharing the allowed merges of Open versions, as well as finetunes of them, you must apply these same additional license terms.
    7. Redistribution of Restricted versions is prohibited. They may only be obtained from official sources designated by the creator.
    8. All use-based restrictions of the CreativeML Open RAIL++M license apply to SDXL versions and their derivatives. All use-based restrictions of the FLUX Non-Commercial License apply to Klein versions and their derivatives.
    9. Any restrictions in these additional terms may be waived only with explicit written permission from the creator.

    TLDR: This is basically the same license as before (just stated more clearly), so nothing changes for the Pony, XL, Photo, Insta, Lust and ZT versions of Big Love. However, restrictions were added for Ultra, Hyper, Klein, Zia, Zuna, Eryn and Gwen versions (no merging, no redistribution). The "Share merges" condition below the license on the right hand side was only deactivated because of the restricted versions. Merging is still allowed for the open versions.

    Many thanks to the creators of SDXL, Z, Qwen, Flux klein, Pony, bigAsp and Lustify for making their wonderful models available. Big thanks to RaymondLuxuryYacht for allowing me to train on his fabulous images.

    Description

    Darker, sharper, more contrast, more skin texture, finer grain. Higher DMD2 cfg possible without overexposure. Requires less img2img steps.

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    Comments (111)

    xG00N3RxMar 28, 2025· 6 reactions
    CivitAI

    Your model paired with Wan2.1 I2V is like a cheat code, amazing work like always.

    ogbtjyqat450Mar 28, 2025

    whick wan2.1 12v? aren't there like 12 2.1 12v?

    alexandrepastore3441Mar 28, 2025· 2 reactions

    In ordre to animate video?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Mar 28, 2025· 2 reactions

    @alexandrepastore3441 Yes, Wan2.1 turns images into videos, thus i2v.

    ponyboiMar 28, 2025
    CivitAI

    Super grateful that Pony version is available for on-site, but could you also make the XL2.5 available for on-site generator? The results look amazing. I know we don't have DMD2 here, but even with 10 epochs, it could look great, no?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Mar 28, 2025

    Sorry, but only Civitai itself decides, which checkpoints get on the generator. Nothing I can do. My tests indicate that Big Love XL does not work great here (yet), so I can only recommend using it on your PC or a cloud computer.

    ponyboiMar 28, 2025

    @SubtleShader okay, thanks!

    7643442Mar 28, 2025· 1 reaction
    CivitAI

    Wow! Loving this version...

    I just started finetuning with it, and hope to get some same fantastic results

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Mar 28, 2025· 8 reactions
    CivitAI

    EDIT 2: Big Love is back on TensorArt! 🚀🚀🚀
    Uploading XL2.5 there now!
    ............................................................
    EDIT: They now say it is a bug. Move to new servers. Lets hope so!
    ............................................................
    Looks like TensorArt removed Big Love and locked me out. It was quite popular there.
    I recommend generating images on your own PC or a cloud computer. Here you can get Forge: lllyasviel/stable-diffusion-webui-forge

    7643442Mar 28, 2025· 1 reaction

    What a shame... This is still a great checkpoint

    Could you go to sea art?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Mar 28, 2025

    @P_Universe Cannot find an upload option there. Do you know how?

    alternative_UniverseMar 28, 2025· 1 reaction

    @SubtleShader first you better do it from a pc, them next to the bottom generate there is like multiple stuff to do, one of them say publish or something like that

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Mar 29, 2025· 1 reaction

    @P_Universe Ah right. Have to switch my browser to desktop mode. Now I see it. Will try tomorrow.

    7643442Mar 29, 2025· 2 reactions

    Glad to hear it's back!

    XL2.5 is great: it's very open to finetuning and absorbs datasets easily! ❤️

    alternative_UniverseMar 29, 2025
    CivitAI

    I tried higher cfg on dmd2 with 2.5 but the images gets very over exposure

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Mar 29, 2025

    cfg 2.5 is too high. Rather use 1 to 1.5

    alternative_UniverseMar 29, 2025· 1 reaction

    @SubtleShader oh, I thought since you said it could go up lol, okay let me try to at least 1.5

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Mar 29, 2025

    @P_Universe Not by that much 😊

    alternative_UniverseMar 29, 2025· 1 reaction

    @SubtleShader lol, well tried 1.5, still exposure 🥲, 1.3 actually is alright

    TootleMar 29, 2025

    Merge in the dmd2 lora in comfy with block weights tapering from 1.0 down to 0 in the middle and back to 1.0 again and you can increase the dmd2 strength and use higher cfgs too.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Mar 29, 2025· 1 reaction

    @Tootle Sounds similar to reducing the DMD2 lora strength when merging. That produces more softness. Adding the DMD2 lora to this merge is like increasing strength again. Might still have side effects. Does not sound like a good idea. I'm ok with using low cfg.

    donaldhowardMar 29, 2025

    If i remember correctly, V1 XL worked with 2m Karras, other ones basically requires dmd2.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Mar 29, 2025

    @donaldhoward They don't require DMD2.

    donaldhowardMar 29, 2025

    @SubtleShader I couldnt make good pics with 2msde, only good ones i saw were Raymond pics, but he uses some magic workflow.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Mar 29, 2025· 2 reactions

    @donaldhoward Better use SDE instead of 2M SDE.

    pornthulhuMar 29, 2025· 2 reactions
    CivitAI

    HOLY SHEIITE! This model is AMAZING! :O I can't stop generating sexsey stuph with it. WTF why is it so good? 1 question though: How to make a guy go balls deep? Deep penetration doesn't really work. Adding too many loras distorts the awesomeness... is there like a magic term to hide a dude's train deep inside the tunnel? Thnx

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Mar 29, 2025· 1 reaction

    Thanks. Nice to hear you enjoy it. I'm sure there is a prompt for that, but surely not that easy to find. Don't remember having it seen. Will try to find it when I have more time.

    pornthulhuMar 30, 2025· 1 reaction

    @SubtleShader Nice. Well until them I'm using "deep penetration" and the balls deep lora for pony which works sort-of, but at some point stuff gets overexposed with loras and even negative overexpose-tags won't really help. Tried "balls deep" "completely hidden inside the coochy" also didnt work :D

    TropicalCatMar 29, 2025
    CivitAI

    Has any recommended workflows for 12GB? for the most realism*

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Mar 29, 2025

    SDXL will run with 6 GB VRAM. Use the DMD2 lora. Faster & more realistic.

    TropicalCatMar 29, 2025

    @SubtleShader has a basic workflow?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Mar 29, 2025

    @TropicalCat See model description for a Comfy workflow

    LoveLunaMar 30, 2025· 7 reactions
    CivitAI

    Easily one of the best checkpoints available.

    bchk301Mar 30, 2025
    CivitAI

    I don't think DMD2 makes better quality pictures. The pictures look less realistic than base XL with DPM++ SDE Karras or maybe I'm missing something? Also it doesn't completely do what's asked in the prompt. It's inconsistent

    ClassicMood4Mar 30, 2025

    True, DMD2 has heavy drawdowns, quite boring compared to "base" XL.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Mar 30, 2025· 3 reactions

    No one forces you to use DMD2 if you don't like it. Tastes are different. It is better at anatomy and speed. Personally it looks more photorealistic to me. Looking forward to see your non-DMD2 images!

    ClassicMood4Mar 30, 2025· 1 reaction

    @SubtleShader pretty sure it´s nothing personal, at least from my side, your models are absolutely fantastic. Just saying DMD2 is hard to tame trying to do more demanding stuff.

    ronikushMar 31, 2025· 1 reaction

    100% Plus with DMD2 a lot of "niche" content does not come through

    bchk301Mar 31, 2025

    @SubtleShader Didn't want to offend anyone. I just prefer pictures that look raw/amateurish. Your model looks fantastic (it's the best one for my tastes) and thanks for this.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Mar 31, 2025· 1 reaction

    @bchk301 No offence taken. I'm having funny fights about DMD2 with a online buddy 😆. DMD2 is great for amateur looks, by the way 😉.

    ronikushMar 31, 2025· 7 reactions
    CivitAI

    BEST checkpoint ever made, even SFW it beats anything else out there for realism. XL version is by far the best choice. The pony version has a lot of "niche" content lacking, especially backgrounds

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Mar 31, 2025

    Thanks. The fine details of XL2 5 are much sharper. The loras trained on it have a higher quality.

    Ai_for_youMar 31, 2025
    CivitAI

    I have problematic prompt adherence (pony, dmd2 lcm exp 8) compared to TameThePony2.5.

    Specific nsfw specific poses/actions takes much tries to achieve. I use booru/wd14 mostly.

    I boosted weight of specific tags to 1.3 but thst the real minimum to increase success rate.

    Do you have anty advice to give ?

    By the way, the realism is fantastic ! Insane work

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Mar 31, 2025· 1 reaction

    Well, the cost of the realism is the less Pony-like prompt adherence. It is that simple. You can also create an image with another Pony model and apply this one in img2img. I recommend XL2.5 for that.

    MescalambaApr 1, 2025

    You can try using natural language, depending on how it was merged, it could work to some extent (or just could work).

    Or use natural language and few tags to reinforce it.

    3342606Apr 1, 2025· 6 reactions
    CivitAI

    Awesome! Thanx!

    saurabhthesuperhero294Apr 1, 2025· 8 reactions
    CivitAI

    I have never seen diverse model like this its best !!!!!!

    the__RealistApr 2, 2025· 1 reaction
    CivitAI

    So with the XL2.5 release, we no longer need to use Loras such as candidness then? going by the merged description at the bottom

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Apr 2, 2025· 1 reaction

    The loras are merged at a very low ratio. They only have a very subtle effect. So you still need to use the loras for the full effect.

    the__RealistApr 2, 2025

    @SubtleShader thanks for clarifying.

    farto972Apr 3, 2025· 3 reactions
    CivitAI

    Just wow. It's by far one of the best models where you just type in a short prompt and get surprised with every gen. So versatile and lifelike while doing good hands, divervse faces and nice poses. Well done!

    ponyboiApr 4, 2025· 4 reactions
    CivitAI

    Hi, Pony2 is great, but just out of curiosity, are you planning an upcoming Pony 2.5 or Pony3 release to further improve realism similar to XL2.5 update? Would be amazing!

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Apr 4, 2025

    Only if there is a update of TamePony or a more realistic Pony model. The XL versions are actually the Pony update. More realistic and still include a bit of Pony.

    miguelgensler288Apr 6, 2025

    I dont understand your Tame mania. It one of the worst model, regarding character lora likeness, ugly as fuck, not even so good textures. New Cyber would improve everything(a total balanced model).

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Apr 6, 2025

    @miguelgensler288 Tame is just a small part of Big Love. CyberRealistic Pony would likely reduce photorealism. But can try using it for XL3.

    miguelgensler288Apr 6, 2025

    @SubtleShader it was about pony version

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Apr 6, 2025

    @miguelgensler288 I know. Tame is much more realistic than Cyber. So no use merging it into the Pony version of Big Love. If you want the best of both worlds, use Cyber in txt2img and Big Love XL2.5 in img2img. Better than merging something.

    danielgill175Apr 7, 2025

    @SubtleShader Cyber is much more realistic since you made your pony versions.

    ponyboiApr 4, 2025· 3 reactions
    CivitAI

    Is XL2.5 enabled now because the new Auction system? I see what you mean about the quality not being great without DMD2, plus it doesn't like Pony characters. Any idea why DMD2 is not available on Civit? Wouldn't that save them processing time/money?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Apr 4, 2025· 2 reactions

    Yes, I bid for XL2.5 not knowing it would deactivate Pony2, which is more popular for on-site generation. Hopefully Pony2 will get active again on Apr 12. The problem is rather that on-site generation does not offer the LCM sampler necessary for DMD2. But possible to use DMD2 on TensorArt.

    ponyboiApr 4, 2025

    @SubtleShader Thanks for the explanation!

    ponyboiApr 4, 2025

    @SubtleShader By the way, you could have two versions potentially enabled if you split the model page into two similar to how all the CyberRealistic models for XL, Pony and Illustrious are available.

    russellfowler196Apr 4, 2025· 4 reactions
    CivitAI

    I want to use this with wildcards. The all in one doesnt contain nsfw poses. What wildcards do you suggest for poses?

    I dont think, it works with pony, illus pose wildcards.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Apr 4, 2025· 3 reactions

    Yes, it is SFW by default. Just create your own NSFW wildcard and combine it with "All in one". Or just add a few NSFW words like nude, pussy, breasts, ass etc. In the prompt.

    Here is my pose wild card:

    legs spread

    backside

    lying down bend over ass up

    bent over

    look over shoulder

    showing ass

    all-fours

    squatting

    leaning forward

    on the floor

    sexy pose

    seductive pose

    stripper pose

    lying on side

    sitting

    prone position

    knee-chest position

    kneeling

    laying

    crossed legs

    on back

    on side

    on stomach

    sitting

    crossed legs

    straddling

    standing

    legs apart

    between legs

    hands on ground

    ass up

    from behind

    top-down bottom-up

    leaning into viewer

    ass grab

    breast grab

    cupping chest, hands on own chest

    dynamic pose, motion, candid

    russellfowler196Apr 4, 2025

    Thanx, i meant sex poses, which works. Does it work with booru poses?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Apr 4, 2025· 3 reactions

    @russellfowler196 Partially booru works, but certain things need a bit of experimenting with the prompt. Started to work on a list, but not finished yet. Here it is anyway:

    1girl, hetero, 1boy, oral, fellatio, penis
    1girl, 1boy sucks nipple, breastfeeding
    1girl, 1boy, handjob, holding penis
    1girl, anilingus, tongue in anus
    2girls, 1boy, threesome, sex
    1girl, 1boy, on the side, spooning, sex
    1girl, 1boy, sex, ass, pov
    1girl, 1boy, from behind, sex, doggystyle, pov
    1girl, 1boy, view from behind, anus
    1girl, 1boy, sex, doggystyle, side view
    1girl on her fours, side view, doggy style sex with a man, sex from behind
    1girl, 1boy, sex, missionary, pov
    1girl, 1boy, sex, reverse cowgirl
    1girl, 1boy, sex, lying, ass, 1girl on top
    1girl, 1boy, sex, laying on side, leg up
    1girl, lying on side, one leg up, 1boy,  sex from behind
    1girl, 1boy, sex, spooning, anal
    1girl, 1boy grabbing breasts from behind
    1girl, 1boy, standing split sex
    1girl, 1boy, deep penetration, lying on side, dynamic view

    russellfowler196Apr 4, 2025

    Thanx man! Should i add these lines to __VC-Pose__?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Apr 4, 2025· 1 reaction

    @russellfowler196 Better create a new wildcard and add it to the prompt.

    elloko83Apr 8, 2025· 4 reactions
    CivitAI

    Great model. Only thing I am struggling with is the the strong tendency to create female face with lots of makeup, lipstick, eyeliners etc. Even using negative prompts does not help at all.

    Any tips? (using dmd2 lcm exponentiel, 8 steps)

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Apr 8, 2025· 3 reactions

    Remove things from the prompt that imply a photo shoot. Add amateur photo, candid shot and such stuff to the prompt. Use the Candidness lora. Forget negatives. Use the positive prompt smarter.

    elloko83Apr 8, 2025

    @SubtleShader I tried that, it helps to a certain point. But is limited. If I add a img2img flow with -again- dmd2-lcm-exp-8-steps, the details are better by a large amount. But again the "makeup" affect is increased too. Maybe it is related to color contrast? My images are looking more reddish with increasing number of steps.

    Rapidfire_sukApr 8, 2025

    Negative prompts are unlikely to work with cfg of 1

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Apr 9, 2025· 1 reaction

    @elloko83 Don't use too many steps in img2img with XL2.5. Not necessary.

    MyaSturbateApr 12, 2025

    i just go with it and then open it with faceapp and hit it with the no makeup makeup. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    SanctumZelairiaApr 14, 2025

    @elloko83 try using cfg at 0.85 along with subtleshader’s advice

    EudaimoniaApr 16, 2025· 5 reactions
    CivitAI

    This model is absolutely fantastic, everything I've wanted, fast, realistic and high quality nsfw!
    One thing I'm wondering, Is there a way to enforce clothing such as a 'safe' trigger word?
    I tried different things like adding (nsfw, nude, naked) in negs, but it will always produce explicit content.
    Anyway, thank you!

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Apr 17, 2025· 1 reaction

    Describe more clothes in the prompt. Forget negatives. Don't mention things like breasts, ass and pussy.

    undergroundx88361May 14, 2025

    OK, so how do you avoid having bare breasts and have big breasts under your clothes?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    May 14, 2025

    @undergroundx88361 As I said above. Describe clothes as detailed as possible.

    aipinups69Apr 17, 2025· 5 reactions
    CivitAI

    Great model - Any tips for getting it to generate anal more reliably?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Apr 17, 2025

    You get it more by describing typical positions. Also the perspective like from below helps. Check the prompt of anal sex images here & replicate the important parts. Also check my prompts here at the bottom: https://civitai.com/models/897413?modelVersionId=1590591&dialog=commentThread&commentId=761297

    7643442Apr 18, 2025· 5 reactions
    CivitAI

    ❤️

    I've used your setup as a base for generating images with my LoRA. I noticed that setting the strength to 0.85 and the CFG scale to 1.2 gives a really nice balance between detail, softness, and respecting the negatives.

    FranpenApr 18, 2025· 2 reactions
    CivitAI

    What am i doing wrong, followed the DMD2 Path of generation and i always get very oversaturated colors and strange anatomy.

    I am not too experienced and i am Using SwarmUI.

    Any hint where i could look into?

    Seed: 35674081, Steps: 8, CFG Scale: 1.5, Width: 1024, Height: 1536, Sampler: LCM (for LCM models), Scheduler: Exponential, Refiner Control Percentage: 0.55, Refiner CFG Scale: 10.5, Refiner Method: Post-Apply (Normal), Refiner Upscale Method: Pixel: Lanczos (cheap + high quality), Automatic VAE: true, LoRAs: 0: dmd2_sdxl_4step_lora_fp16,, LoRA Weights: 0: 1,, [ComfyUI] Custom Workflow: Big Love 25 DMD2, Model: Big_Love_-_XL2-5

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Apr 18, 2025· 1 reaction

    Reduce cfg to 1.25 or 1. Maybe the Refiner produces the strange anatomy.

    FranpenApr 18, 2025· 1 reaction

    @SubtleShader It was exactly the right setting fixing it!

    MyaSturbateApr 19, 2025· 3 reactions
    CivitAI

    I find it a real struggle to generate lesbian cunnilingus POV. I've tried multiple LoRA and it invariably puts a cock in there. Any suggestions? Or perhaps you could make a pose LoRA?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Apr 19, 2025

    Worked with Pony one year ago. Should still work. Img2img with Big Love.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Apr 24, 2025· 4 reactions
    CivitAI

    For the worst results with Big Love XL use Euler A or 2M sampler. Please don't! Do yourself and me the favor! A lot of loras also degrade the quality of Big Love. Check with and without loras to see the difference.

    7643442Apr 24, 2025· 1 reaction

    I use your recommended settings in my own workflow and make sure my LoRAs are trained with the latest version published here. The results are fantastic!

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Apr 24, 2025

    @GavinStormar Congrats. But there are various people who don't read and just keep using what they used with totally different models.

    davidberndt719May 3, 2025

    Sorry, but Loras are bread and butter of SD. Nobody cares generating 1girls, your job would be to make it compatible with them.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    May 3, 2025

    @davidberndt719 It is not m job. I don't earn anything. So it cannot be my job. I'll make my loras more compatible if you pay me. Otherwise I'll just strive to make them produce the best output possible.

    raymondblack738May 4, 2025

    @SubtleShader  "I'll make my loras more compatible if you pay me"

    What?:))))

    Your styles(XL1 versions works with anything), so no a big deal to make the rest compatible.

    You behave, like this is the only one model, we can use. Thanx to Bigshit, it wont never be compatible with anything.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    May 4, 2025

    @raymondblack738 You think such "nice" comments like yours and the one above will motivate me to do something that costs me time and money? I don't think rudeness should be rewarded. Do you?

    raymondblack738May 4, 2025

    @SubtleShader Sorry for that. I wrote this, because months and months passed and nothing changed since the first XL. You can make ultrarealistic model, if its compatible only with itself.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    May 4, 2025

    @raymondblack738 I am not aware of any issue. I get rude complaints instead of details so that I could check what the problem is. Might be rather a problem with how you use loras. But I cannot check anything if everyone is pissed, draws fast conclusions & does not clearly state the problem in a understandable way. Does not really make me eager to help.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    May 5, 2025

    @raymondblack738 I assume you mean the XL2 & XL2.5 versions of my loras. I need full details like what checkpoint you use and what settings. I have to reproduce the problem myself. Cannot think of a solution without these details.

    georgerobson338Apr 24, 2025· 4 reactions
    CivitAI

    Now they banned comments to articles. Full retard mode.

    I hope, they didnt delete every celeb.

    6822697Apr 25, 2025· 4 reactions
    CivitAI

    Perfect! Great work!

    waifunest88931Apr 27, 2025· 2 reactions
    CivitAI

    Does it support ipadapter?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    Apr 27, 2025

    Yep

    misterclassMay 1, 2025· 4 reactions
    CivitAI

    I can't believe the Pony2 version of this model got delisted. We must bid to bring it back! It's one of my top 2 favorite models. Nothing else even comes close to generating such good anatomy and faces.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    May 1, 2025

    No, Pony2 will be back tomorrow. No need to bid. The problem is that Civitai deactivates it sometimes when I bid for Big Love XL2.5. Won't do that anymore.

    misterclassMay 4, 2025

    @SubtleShader what do you mean? I added a bid for the Pony2 version when I made this post. Will that not necessary anymore?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    May 4, 2025

    @misterclass  No, it may only be necessary if there is a bid for XL2.5. Civitai has strange rules. Pony2 generatilon is always active. Only if XL2.5 gets activated, Pony2 is sometimes deactivated, sometimes not. Did not find any system in it.

    GeneralSpaceyMay 2, 2025
    CivitAI

    When I try to use those comfyUI workflows, it refuses to work. The images are always these flat white noisy messes, and the problem seems to be coming from the DMD2 lora(lowering its strength allows some detail through). Why could this be? I'm trying both DMD2 workflows with XL2.5.

    SubtleShader
    Author
    May 4, 2025

    This only happens if you installed ComfyUI via Pinokio. Reinstall Comfy the standard way and it will work.

    g0249222299May 2, 2025
    CivitAI

    Is the sd XL version not available for online generation?

    SubtleShader
    Author
    May 2, 2025

    Not at the moment. You get better quality here

    SubtleShader
    Author
    May 6, 2025

    Will be online again on Friday. Will try to keep it active.