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    The Flux based successor to FluffyRock is currently in training. Early checkpoints are showing a lot of promis in the realm of uncensored, full natural language model.

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    [ e233-terminal-snr-vpred-e206 is the last of the original vpred training line. I've put it here for "completeness". There are a handful of newer checkpoints of this vpred model with some different (I forget what was changed in the training). I will try to upload e257-terminal-snr-vpred-e11 later if Civitai with corporate. ]

    [ There are some newer FR models, specifically the "minsnr" lines, but they are somewhat "deepfried" and I wouldn't recommend them for general use, Lodestone has suggested using it for merging instead. As always, all of these are in the HF repo if you want to try them. ]

    Official-enough Civitai upload of some of the common/popular/newer FluffyRock models. This is mostly being done to allow other posts and models to be able to properly reference the original models.

    FluffyRock is a furry focused model with a very wide understanding of concepts and styles with the ability to sample at up to 1088x1088. There are multiple model branches being trained in parallel due to the many different experiments being conducted, each branch will produce outputs that are at least a little different from other branches.

    There are multiple different model branches using different methods.

    A chart of the branches and what is different between them will be added once it has been updated.

    The info here is incomplete. This will be improved eventually.

    Personally, the vpred model line is getting really good. Does require additional setup to make work, see below.

    Any recent epoch of terminal-snr are quite mature by this point and I'm not seeing a whole lot of change between each checkpoint beyond gradually improved concept understanding of lower volume tags.

    This is often a subjective preference, use whichever you like best. Or mix with other models. Do whatever you want. :V

    Prompting:

    Use e621 tags, without underscores, comma separated, any order.

    Artist tags use "by name" format without "(artist)" on the tags that normally have them.

    Pre-3m models do not understand meta tags. Post-3m may understand meta tags, I have not explicitly tested yet.

    Base SD1.5 natural language understanding has been mostly lobotomized. Several projects are currently running to recreate natural language understanding similar to base SD but more specific to furry art. Those checkpoints are too undercooked so far for general use, but you can find them in the Discord thread and on HF for testing.

    Most examples shown here have minimal to no neg prompting.

    Note that additional setup is required to use any of the FluffyRock vpred models:

    Use the provided config file.

    You will need to use cfg rescale.

    For A1111 (and possibly the Vlad fork), use CFG_Rescale_webui extension. Or pull the cfg rescale PR from A1111 (unless it has since been merged upstream). Hopefully in the future this becomes a stock feature in A1111.

    There is a method to to do this on Comfy UI, but I need to go verify that and add that info here.

    About the Civitai upload:

    More versions will be added over time. Leave comment if you need a particular checkpoint uploaded here. Newer models will be uploaded here as I have the time to upload and make sample images. Original Hugging Face repo will always be most current.

    I'm the one uploading these models here because of our small casual team, I had the most bandwidth to spare and time to maintain it. Lodestone Rock trained these models. Many others have also helped with various things.

    Due to limitations on Civitai (version string length is rather short) and how the site works (downloads do not use the original uploaded filename), the filenames for the checkpoints are different from the originals on HuggingFace. I've attempted to keep them unique between the different training branches while still close enough to the original to be able to identify them. The full original filenames for each checkpoint are listed under the "About this model" in the side panel.

    Quick breakdown on each model line here.

    1088-megares: Trained on highres dataset up to 1088px.

    Considered finished at e27 as it had plateaued and efforts moved to other lines.

    1088-megares-offset-noise: Same as above, but with additional epochs with offset noise. Helps increase dynamic lighting range of dark and light parts of images, ie. darker darks can be possible.

    Considered finished at e27 as it had plateaued and efforts moved to other lines.

    1088-megares-offset-noise-3M: Same as above with larger >3 million image dataset. Able to understand more concepts.

    I believe no additional checkpoints are being trained in favor of giving more time to other lines.

    1088-megares-terminal-snr: Similar goal to offset noise, but technically different method. Rescales the noise schedule to enforce zero terminal SNR. This blends in to additional changes done in the vpred fork below.

    1088-megares-terminal-snr-vpred: Forked from 1088-megares-terminal-snr at epoch 20-21.

    This is an experimental model that uses v-prediction to fix Stable Diffusions 1.5 poor noise scheduling and sample steps. It does this in four different ways.

    • By rescaling the noise schedule to enforce zero terminal SNR.

    • Training the model with v-prediction

    • Changing the sampler to always start from the last timestep

    • Rescaling classifier-free guidance to prevent over-exposure (config rescale)

    These modifications are based upon the paper "Common Diffusion Noise Schedules and Sample Steps are Flawed".

    Experimentation with the model has showed a variety of possible improvements, including but not excluded to.

    • Improved understanding of prompts

    • More accurate colours

    • Significantly enhanced contrast

    Note that additional setup is required to use any of the FluffyRock vpred models:

    Requires config file and cfg rescale. For A1111 (and possibly the Vlad fork), use CFG_Rescale_webui extension or pull the cfg rescale PR from A1111 (unless it has since been merged upstream).

    e6laion: Another experiment.

    Is not a fork and separate from all other lines.

    Trained on a dataset of e6, laion, and booru. It is relearning things that base SD1.5 had. Also uses vpred. Much experimental and does not have many epochs yet. Is not uploaded here yet. Can be download from the HuggingFace repo. Results can be unstable.

    PolyFur: Newer project, somewhat similar to e6laion but with the additional dataset being human curated and has a similar goal to reintroduce natural language prompting but with a focus on improved aesthetic.

    Is not a fork and separate from all other lines.

    Is showing improvements each epoch and might get a release here around early August. Also uses vpred. Can be downloaded now from the HuggingFace Repo.

    SDXLVAE: An experimental fork of 1088-megares-offset-noise-3M that uses the SDXL VAE.

    Autocomplete:

    Tag Autocomplete File - this is currently only covering the pre-3M dataset. I am working on building a new one, but there's 35k conflicting tags I have to manually verify and correct.

    Two Epoch Numbers?

    First number is continuous from the start of training.

    Second number is from when that specific line was forked.

    Example: fluffyrock-576-704-832-960-1088-lion-low-lr-e101-terminal-snr-vpred-e74

    101st checkpoint from the start of the 1088 multires.This is the total epochs.

    74th checkpoint since terminal-snr was forked and the number of epochs done on tsnr. (vpred was most likely forked off at e20-e21.)

    Troubleshooting:

    Output looks bad:

    Do not sample at 512x512. Use 768 or greater. Going past 1088 may result in the typical SD1.x highres anomalies. High-res-fix and other similar methods work well to easily achive 2k+ resolutions.

    Prompt some art styles. Use some "by [e6 artist tag without underscores]". For better results, prompt several. Use of A1111's prompt-editing feature works really well for creating unique styles.

    The concept of some tags, while known to the known, had either too few samples or too much of samples had heavy bias. Training a custom LoRA for the concept is usually a good way to get a concept to preference.

    VPred troubleshooting:

    Output just noise/cloud: Missing config file.

    Output too dark: Turn up cfg rescale. Usually 0.7-0.9 seems to work best.

    Some samplers may not work as cfg rescale support is not complete as of yet. See discord thread for latest discussion on this.

    Training LoRAs:

    Previously, e27 was more recommended as the model to train against as the results would be more portable to the other FR model branches at the time. This is outdated.

    LoRA's trained on any recent line of FR have had decent portablity between other model lines in my personal experience. But training against the model you plan to sample is going to likely have the best results.

    Noise-offset models may require training with noise offset >0 to have good results, though these LoRAs may not work well on other models that do not use noise offset. Start with 0 and check results. The offset-noise models are pretty outdated now and you likely want to consider a newer model line.

    Terminal-SNR (non-vpred) models require nothing special.

    vpred requires training with v_parameterization enabled. kohya_ss will complain about using that on v1, ignore that, nobody expected people would train SD1.5 with v-prediction.

    LoRAs trained on non-vpred FR models will likely work.

    Ask in the Discord for help.

    Tag Autocomplete File

    Hugging Face Repo Contains every version of every model line. Full git clone of the repo will require >1.5TB disk space, you have been warned.

    FluffyRock Discord Server

    Furry Diffusion Discord Server and the FR thread there

    LodestoneRock's Patreon Help support them with the cost of training.

    License: WTFPL

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    Due to Civitai's on-site gen being broken (for at least these models), I've had to set the commercial use to an incorrect value to disable the annoying "Create" button. You can use the models on gen service, we don't care, but it would be cool if it actually works. :V

    Apparently it works now except with vpred models.

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    fluffyrock-576-704-832-960-1088-lion-low-lr-e257-terminal-snr-vpred-e11

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    Comments (33)

    ktiseos_nyxFeb 5, 2024· 2 reactions
    CivitAI

    It's sad that you had so much trouble, cause this looks amazing.

    412941233203Feb 12, 2024
    CivitAI

    地羊

    nsfwpersonalaiFeb 25, 2024· 9 reactions
    CivitAI

    When will you make an XL version of this model, being a merge with Pony Diffusion? Well, I want that XL model to be used as a base to create XL versions of Furryrock, BB95, YiffyMix and Indigo Furry Mix.

    WithoutOrdinary
    Author
    Mar 10, 2024· 6 reactions

    I only handle the Civitai uploads and testing, I'm also waiting on it too. :3

    Lodestone and the "team" have been working on SDXL version, and a lot of other things, there is nothing to share at this time. Last I heard (over a month ago) it was very very very underbaked and hadn't get completed the first epoch. Things aren't as simple as just throwing the SD15 datasets at standard SDXL trainer. The datasets have had a lot of work done on them. And at a minimum SDXL training has ported to TPU, but knowing Lodestone, they are gonna do more than that.

    SD3 will also be looked in to when/if it finally gets released. Don't expect anything on that for quite a long time. :3

    This stuff takes a really long time. Fluffyrock models do not do any normal stuff. Somewhat like PonyXL, it is a very different thing from the base model, but very much unlike PonyXL, it still has compatibility with LoRAs trained on other models. Which one reason why I haven't bugged Civitai much about adding a SD15-vpred base model type like they did for PonyXL.

    ____NULL____Apr 4, 2024

    @WithoutOrdinary lodestone isn't making an xl model. They have plans for something very different; but it's not cascade either.

    fejac43Apr 5, 2024

    @bread001 Well what is it then?

    nsfwpersonalaiApr 6, 2024

    @bread001 An SD3 model?

    WithoutOrdinary
    Author
    Apr 27, 2024

    @nsfwpersonalai SD3 weights aren't released yet, unless they did so in the last like 12 hours...

    There will be new models when they are ready. No ETAs. No updates to give at this time. x3

    WithoutOrdinary
    Author
    Apr 27, 2024

    @bread001 Yup, plans change over time. There is a lot of crazy furry science happening right now. :p

    nsfwpersonalaiJul 17, 2024

    @WithoutOrdinary What about Compassmix? I would like an XL version of Fluffyrock that is based on Compassmix.

    WithoutOrdinary
    Author
    Jul 18, 2024

    @nsfwpersonalai Compassmix XL has some secret sauce from LodeStones. It might be the closest thing to an FluffyRock XL model right now, thought the base model is SeaArt (which is pretty competent in its own right).

    Work is still progressing on a next gen FluffyRock model.

    WithoutOrdinary
    Author
    Jul 20, 2024

    Bananastrike XL Lightning has been released, its the successor to CompassMix XL.

    https://civitai.com/models/588186

    2844719Apr 5, 2024· 2 reactions
    CivitAI

    Great generator!

    Ano_NimbusMay 7, 2024· 5 reactions
    CivitAI

    For your interest, the upcoming XL model will be neutered by removing "unethical" tags from dataset, info from the Discord.

    So that's it, I did save you your time you would waste waiting and rooting for the model, you're welcome.

    IspoildogsMay 16, 2024

    which tags will be removed?

    WithoutOrdinary
    Author
    May 25, 2024

    @Ispoildogs I had no clue, but looking back, seems to be just drama.

    TonyVanJun 17, 2024· 2 reactions

    That’s sad. We’ve all seen how this kind of censorship affects things, like with SD3. Well, it looks like nothing will top Pony XL and similar models now.

    Von_BlepThe3rdJun 5, 2024· 3 reactions
    CivitAI

    Is anyone else having trouble with this model? Cuz when I use it, it generates these deep-fried, heavily pixelated images, and I don't know what to do. Can somebody please help me out?

    WithoutOrdinary
    Author
    Jun 15, 2024

    You'll need a cfg rescale extension for vpred models. There's links to them in the description.

    CuauhtemocI5MALJul 17, 2024· 2 reactions
    CivitAI

    There's only thing I would like to see in the XL version of this model: That the prompts I used to use with SD1.5 based versions of this model are equal or almost as useful with that SDXL based version.

    PCaeliferaJul 18, 2024
    CivitAI

    Why isn't this available for the online image generator?

    WithoutOrdinary
    Author
    Jul 18, 2024

    Apparently Civitai limits the number of models on the gen to around 200 or something. I enabled it to be allowed to be used on gen services, but I have no control over Civitai actually using it.

    At one point it was available on there, but its looking like that changed recently. No clue, I have not changed anything in months.

    CuauhtemocI5MALAug 29, 2024
    CivitAI

    PurpleSmartAI have no intentions of training the next version of Pony Diffusion in Flux, at least Flux isn’t the primary option to make the model.

    https://civitai.com/articles/6309

    Consider this information as an incentive to make a flux version of Fluffyrock.

    If you're close to finish the XL version of Fluffyrock, finish it first.

    WithoutOrdinary
    Author
    Aug 30, 2024

    Compassmix and Bananastrike are the current closest to a dedicated FR SDXL models right now.

    I believe the current plan is to use Flux or something similar/based on it with lower requirements.

    FR1.5 models took 6+ months to get to where they achieved. Anything new will likely take similarly as long.

    WithoutOrdinary
    Author
    Sep 9, 2024

    @CuauhtemocI5MAL The alpha version of the Flux model has been released.

    https://civitai.com/models/732837/chromafur-alpha-furry-flux-dev

    TomLucidorOct 19, 2024

    Wait until AuraFlow stabilizes at least before making the judgement call. Even Purple need to state that Flux is a back-up... IDK give it 6 months to a year

    PCaeliferaJan 16, 2025
    CivitAI

    By "Use 768 or greater", do you mean 768x768 or greater, or (for aspect ratios other than 1:1) any resolution where the smaller dimension is 768 or greater, or any resolution where the larger dimension is 768 or greater?

    WithoutOrdinary
    Author
    Feb 1, 2025

    Any of those actually.

    1024x1024 will usually turn out well. Even go ahead do something silly like 1024x256, or other rather extreme ratios, I found that many of those worked. Sides larger than 1024 should also work.

    CuauhtemocI5MALFeb 25, 2025
    CivitAI

    I'm a reverend asshole.

    I should've asked you to publish here, or in HuggingFace the dataset you've used to train the lastest version of FluffyRock, especially when SDXL 1.0 started to become popular, so building a spiritual successor of FluffyRock in SDXL would have turned easier, and maybe that dataset could've used as a starting point to build one for a furry focused model based in FLUX.

    Soy un reverendo pendejo.

    Debí haberte pedido publicar aquí o en HuggingFace el dataset que usaste para entrenar la última versión de FluffyRock, especialmente cuando SDXL 1.0 empezó a volverse popular, de esa manera construir un sucesor espiritual de FluffyRock en SDXL se hubiera vuelto más fácil, y tal vez ese dataset podría haber sido usado como un punto de partida para elaborar un modelo enfocado a furros basado en FLUX.

    WithoutOrdinary
    Author
    Mar 14, 2025

    Good news (maybe?), a Flux based successor is in training. Newer versions are up on HF.

    https://civitai.com/models/1330309/chroma?modelVersionId=1501971

    CuauhtemocI5MALMar 14, 2025

    @WithoutOrdinary I'm not sure, the description of that model makes no mention of e621 tags.

    WithoutOrdinary
    Author
    Apr 5, 2025

    @CuauhtemocI5MAL I believe e6 tags are have since started to be trained in addition to natural language.

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