Maybe it's still slightly ahead in really explicit nsfw things, but in every other way it has been surpassed by Krea2 tbh

@Asaghon and what exactly are those 'other ways'?

@ODBsGoonerExtravaganza Illustrious is based on SDXL, Krea 2 is a far more advanced model just in every possible way, get a chatbot to do a full list of how much better Krea 2 is.

@ferrrett33 and there you go, another 'in every possible way ' non-answer.
For example I don't see a huge difference between Fubuwa's later illustrious checkpoints (4.2 - onwards) and current KREA one. So KREA2 has supposedly better realism'? Okay. What else? Huh? The examples going round on net show nothing that I couldn't and haven't have already done with Illustrious checkpoints.

'Get a chatbot'. Hillarious. Why do you people even bother typing at all when you know next to nothing yourselves? Consider for a second that neither of you two have anything to show for in terms of your own generations.

better composition, better colors, it understands style concepts, it understands specific objects, prompts can be very specific or very loose and you will gain a good image with very little trial and error. Creating your own style is possible but the ones it knows are insane and resemble their sources, reddit has a whole list of some and FAL on huggingface made loras targeting some more generic and meta style. Krea2 is great and for an open source model it is easily #1, only the paid models are better.

@kitekholin Still not quite sold (yet to see any example that would), but that's more like it. Thanks.
Gonna see how I fare training some character loras this weekend.

@ODBsGoonerExtravaganza why on earth are you so hostile? Krea2 (base model) will give you a better image every single time than any sdxl finetune. The only thing Illustrious has on it is maybe some very explicit content.

I'm comparing out of the box base model with just a bypass lora that generates great images with good prompt understanding, without upscaling or detailer shenanigans to years of sdxl finetunes that need more complicated workflows to get the most out of it. But if your happy with sdxl than keep using it. I used Illustrious until Krea2 came out too.

Just try it?

Edit: Training character Lora's is extremely easy and the likeness is great. Don't even need detailers to get the face right. Just try a LoKR rank 4 or 8 / sigmoid in onetrainer, it's amazing.

@Asaghon uh-huh. ok.

@ODBsGoonerExtravaganza holy fuck dude, see a therapist

@ODBsGoonerExtravaganza we have no idea what you're using it for or how complex your images are. Maybe if you're doing something in a very narrow scope, SDXL or Illustrious nails that for you, in fact a certain checkpoint can nail it much better than others, possibly much better than Krea 2 does that cherry picked thing out of 1000 things it can do. If you do broad image generation like I do including hundreds of very different prompts and using dozens of checkpoints then it's no question that Krea 2 is so much more powerful and coherent. I ran controlled tests, think hundreds of prompts seed-identical tested on hundreds of model across 5 model families. SDXL got like a 10% quality score, Krea 2 gets like a 60% quality score, it's vastly better overall -- which doesn't mean there weren't any images that SDXL just did better, of course there were, except it was the other way around 10 times more often.

@Asaghon note how you're the only one here with his panties actually in a twist - while also being the one who began with sticking a laughing emoji under my question (which I deliberately avoided mentioning up until now).

Do not talk to me about therapists.

@fubuwa thanks as always man. That's a type of response I was looking for.
I've still got a huge backlog of illustrious (and wan 2.2, crucially) batches and character loras to complete so I was curious before diving in.

@ODBsGoonerExtravaganza I made several Anima loras already using krea2 to generate the training images, the results are on my profile. I have posted some Krea2 Images just can't remember which since they are mixed with the Anima images. Also what exactly is the goal? if its gooner content, I am assuming this by you username and profile content, Krea2 and Anima actually make for better nsfw content creation than illustrious, I tested this by creating a difficult concept.

Using an AMD r9700 32gb, I get anima turbo generations in 9-15 seconds and krea2 is about 30 seconds, for Illustrious It takes 15 secs for initial generations, 2nd pass and face detailer take it to 45secs to 110 seconds or more depending on image size. I find krea2 better overall since it take less trial and error than Illustrious and for gooner content Anima might be the better option in my personal opinion and experience.